I noticed that since a recent update, I can no longer find masters hand weapons
anywhere. If these weapons were taken out of typical loot drops, (some people
have complained in chat that too many of them were dropping) Please bring them
back, maybe not in the quantity that they once dropped, but let us have them back.
Hi Roscoe, welcome 
Master’s Hands were not removed from the game; by memory, all the update did was reduce Puppet Master drop rates to bring them in line with other weapon types.
Of course, if you find they’ve disappeared completely, I’d be more than happy to investigate it.
I would appreciate it if someone could look into it, after
many hours of farming I have found about every other
type of uniques, but no masters hands, cats paw etc.
Around a month ago, I commented on the masters hands no longer dropping, since then
I still cannot find any. For the next update, please re-introduce this item. I have a HC
summoner and base that build around a masters hand, and if my character dies I do not
have another of these.
If anyone on this forum was able to find a masters hand recently, please let me know where
you found it.
Thnaks
So the item in the game or was removed? Wiki says “Nightmare Occy [The Master’s Hand]” but doesnt seem like exist
No, it has not been removed. In fact, its drop rates were effectively increased again in 1.5.15. It doesn’t belong to any dedicated tables that I can remember, but it should drop anywhere where lv43+ Taskmasters can drop.
Just to avoid misunderstandings, are you sure you’re using the right wiki? “Nightmare Occy” sounds like a Global-era player note, and I’m not seeing it on our wiki page for the item.
Ah yes, seems like outdated infor.
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Hello, there. Kynda new to the forums. But i wanted to know if this gun actually exist or not.
Not only i have never seen it drop, NO ONE in the whole server has seen it drop in the past year or so.
Not only that, but i have never seen even a white taskmaster or mindcontrol 1h gun drop (and yes, i have “usuable items” auto dismantle disabled, purelly for this)
Yesterday we even try between several people on several locations with several luck to try and find a single 1h mind control weapon (not even the master hand) and after hours we find nothing.
And we decided to stop until we have at least “some” confirmation that this weapons can actually drop in game.
Ty
Hey, m8. Weve been farming for a week nonstop and were starting to loose hope, ngl. Especially when everyone says that this weapon no longer exist in game. Yeah, i read that “in theory” it exist. But we need some confirmation. Is this weapon a trap? Does it actually exist?
Hi
Does the Masters Hand still exist? Yes. (I have a couple of them)
Do they still drop after the “nerf”? I would say so but im not sure.
It wasnt a drop nerf, the buff it got prior just got removed.
Problem is that masters hand is one of the rarest item in the game.
It will take a looong while before one drops.
Alternative you could use two of the focus hands wich gives you a ton of armor. Craft minion dmg on them and then put minion dmg mods in it.
Most people do this when they play summoner.
I know they exist. Ive seen 2 guys with one, both of then got it by trade.
But the fact that i cant find a single person that has seen it drop in the past year or so, and most people believe it was removed from the drop table entirelly, says a lot.
To give an example
Griffons eye its rare, Deaths web is rare, hell, even Tyrael migth is extremelly rare. But if you speak with people on the D2 lobby, people know how to get it and can actually get it by farming the rigth spot.
In a year playing D2, i ear of 5 diferent people getting tyraels migth (the rarest item in the game). Thats rare, but achievable.
If the drop chance of master hand is so rare that the entire server hasnt seen it drop in over a year… excuse me but that item is removed from the game.
Can you sell/trade me one of them? 
It was not. Time and again we’ve reassured people that’s not the case, and we’ve increased their drop rates to boot - which would not be possible if the item had been “removed from the drop table”. In fact, here’s a screenshot of all Puppet Master entries still being very much present:
That said, there may have been some error someplace; on inspection this time I noticed some of them have a peculiar setup (which sees use elsewhere too) which might be what’s causing the reported issue. So we’ll examine it and, if that’s the root cause, we’ll have it sorted by the next upcoming patch.
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Thanks, m8. I really apreciate you (and the team if aplicable) taking the time to look into the issue.
Have a great one!
PS: if someone wanna trade me one, now is the time. Before it can drop again and the price go down 
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I can give you one if you are not on HC.
give me your char name, i mail it to you.
Edit: Send.
Parvel is my char name. I cannot thank you enougth.
I may actually have a leftover or two myself. I’ll dust off my old player accounts and send one your way if I find any.
oh, i have to chime in here 
does this “peculiar setup” also affect drop rates of megatrons? havent had one drop in quite some time. And to address a comment earlier: London Bosses - London 2038
there it is in the london2038 wiki, the masters hand is supposed to be in Occulus’s dedicated drop table. Did the level changes remove these tables? I have yet to see ANY of the items from the NM drop table, drop. OK, maybe remove is the wrong term, moved the drop tables out of level range?
No, looking through them now they’re entirely fine in this regard.
I don’t know how exactly those tables come about. The items listed there are not just one neat treasure table that the pull draws from, so they’re by no means “dedicated”; that would typically mean they’re explicit item candidates, which these are not. Rather, the treasure table for Oculis looks like this:
- First, it pulls from all its subtables with 100% chance. Those are 5, of which one is skill tokens and one is default boss loot.
- Then it first pulls from a unique boss table, choosing one among 3 namesakes with a 55% chance to not drop any; this includes Void Rifle, Void Clutch, and Spectral Lens.
- It then pulls from a “guaranteed” boss pool, which picks by item type (weapon or armor) but cannot roll for Normal, Enchanted, or Unique.
- It then pulls from a “random” boss pool, with a 35% to not drop, which picks by item type (weapon, armor, or mod) and cannot roll for Normal or Unique.
- Lastly, tokens aside, it picks from a “default” boss pool, which itself is broken down into subtables. Among these are ones which pick by item type with no quality restriction, so this is the only table which can actually roll for any Uniques.
So what I’m assuming here is that all these are possible drops given Oculis’s level range, and what I know is they’re definitely not “dedicated”. Now whether
is not out of the question, but at a glance I wouldn’t suppose so; these are all midgame items with typically lenient level ranges, so I wouldn’t suppose Angel Passage’s lv39 would exclude them.
The question that typically answers such questions is, “do the base item types drop”. If they do, then they can roll for Unique and the desired Unique drops are possible. If they don’t, they’re naturally not possible.
am i reading this right? It pulls from the default boss pool first and last?
No, probably poor wording on my part. The initiation is “pull from these 5 subtables”, and the default boss pool is the last one among the 5 the parent/initial row pulls from. So there’s only one pull for each subtable.